E285 Yelyzaveta Frolkis: Double Major @ KNU + NaUKMA

Yelyzaveta Frolkis 0:00 understand yourself, understand your wishes and go for it and do not care about judgment and the wrong people who surround you and always listen to only the people who say, or either the great stuff to you that you're cool because you're inspiring or just saying the good critics which you can learn something from. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 0:40 This podcast shows that Ukraine is not what foreigners see on television. Together, we will break all the stereotypes about Ukraine, so that when the flag of Ukraine is lifted, anywhere in the world, everyone will know Ukraine and its unique culture because today, Ukraine has a dynamic new generation that will change the world. Hello, my name is Aziz and I have a deep connection with Ukraine. My grandfather volunteered in 1987, to help liquidate the Chernobyl chemical radiation because he believed in humanity, he was a real hero for me. And even though he struggled with cancer after that, for the rest of his life, he always told me many great things about Ukraine, and its people. Then from 2018 to 2019. For two years, I began working with UNICEF in Ukraine to help build orphanages for Ukrainian children. And thank you, thank you all so much for the support. More than 285 people participated in this project for Ukraine, from the Vice President of the Helen Martin group, to the Vice Chancellor of the ugcc church, to the president of the Erasmus student network EU, to the President of the World Trade Center give to students from the FLEX program, Ukraine, Global Scholars, United World College, Harvard University and Minerva schools at KGI to the United Nations, to interns at the Ukrainian parliament, and at the Canadian Parliament to top 1% students in Ukraine. But not only then, this project is for all Ukrainians, from all backgrounds. So if you wish to participate, send me a message on Instagram at Aziz dot future and join the telegram channel give future My goal is to make interviews with hundreds of Ukrainians and the world is listening. This podcast is already top 50 In the United Kingdom, France, Switzerland and Monaco top 25 In Austria, Germany, Canada, Russia and Poland, top 15 in Australia, Italy, Spain, and Dubai and top 10 In Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, South Korea, Singapore and many other places. Because this is now officially the number one podcast on Apple about Ukraine. Together we will break the stereotypes. Together, we will help all other countries discover and respect the greatness of Ukrainian people. And this good reputation will support the development of Ukraine, creating more opportunities for every Ukrainian to have a better life. So let's begin. My guest today is Dr. Lisa Veta. For all keys. Lisa is a double major studying law at Taras Shevchenko National University of give as well as studying Business Economics at National University of Kyiv mohila Academy, born in the capital give, Lisa participated in 22 scientific and practical conferences of Model United Nations with 18 of them as a participant and four of them as an organizer. In 2019. She was the president of the Model UN Junior Elysium. Now Cove Mina, and Chair of Economic and Social Council un at en un Keith palace of children and youth. And she represented Ukraine in the second delegation ever that attended. Why am un as a part of the team in the 45th annual mun in Yale University in the US, the mandate of the Kingdom of Bahrain and the United Nations Environmental Program un EP in 2020. She was the chair of Equinox American Social Council un at an online mun Kyiv palace of children and youth, and the President of the next hub, and UN in KPCY. Luiza also took places in the all Ukrainian student Olympiad and low of 2018 2019. And then in the geography and landscape science section of the minor Academy of Sciences of Ukraine in 2019 2020. In May 2020, Lisa defended a business plan as a part of micro economics course called International creative University, created by the example of Minerva University. As a practicing gymnast, Lisa took the gong key and a festival in Slovakia in 2013. She won the first degree in two categories and a festival, Viva Italia, Italy in 2014. And in 2015, she took first place in the contest, Baltic brilliant and Lithuania diploma signed by the extra ordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of Ukraine to the Republic of Lithuania, Valerie Joseph Tenko when it comes to the English language, where Lisa reached a C one level, she has attended courses in England in 2015, and 2017. She attended the London School of English in Kyiv, from 2016 until 2020, when she took place in the stage two of the old Ukrainian student Olympiad in English in 2018 2019. And an honorable mention for special achievements in learning English. In 2021. Liza also adores basketball, painting, singing, writing poetry, and attending high heels dance classes. Our favorite quote is success is being able to move from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm by Winston Churchill. Lisa, how are you today? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 7:17 Thank you, I'm fine. The only thing I wanted to say is vice versa. So I study Business Economics interests of championing diversity and light in National University of giving mahalo Academy but it's fine. It's okay. It's okay. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 7:31 It's okay. You're studying all the subjects and all the universities. And I love that about your that's really ambitious and really hard working. And so I will ask about that, specifically, why two majors are two different universities at the same time, knowing that probably the education will be offline soon, Yelyzaveta Frolkis 7:55 actually is gonna be like mixed in Kyiv Mohyla Academy and fully offline interest, Shanker university, but the thing is, I wanted to study economics. So like, when I started my senior year at school, I, like I get into it with the thought, like, I'm gonna study economics and keep Mahela Academy, I was really like, precise about that. And so I knew my plan, but afterwards, like I thought that economics might not be enough and law will be a great instrument that I can use. And this is that kind of degree that you cannot just learn by, you know, taking courses are stuff this is a fully like university degree that you cannot get anywhere else. So I've decided this is going to be better and I have a will have a complex education, which I may use in any area, basically. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 8:52 Thank you. That sounds really wonderful. And you're so active. So I would like to ask, when you want to feel really alive to relax to recharge yourself, what activities do you like to do Elisa? In order to rebalance and refill your soul Yelyzaveta Frolkis 9:13 is surely going to be dancing because like I've been dancing for my whole life, I've been changing styles so I started with gymnastics when I was like in like I was little let's say I was a child. Then I came back then I like came to modern dancers like hip hop, just funk and like recently, I think like a one year and a half ago, I discovered high heels dancing, which is not only about like keeping in shape or like moving in the gracious way. High heels dancing is about is like making women empowerment, like empowered and making women feel themselves as a woman like feel their sexuality. feel they're like, feel their feminine. I mean, this is so much for me, when I come to my like my trainer, she is always ends, our trainings with the words of support. So she's trying trying to push her confidences is to just make us believe in ourselves, which is so beautiful, I guess. So this dance is about psychology about feeling yourself both loving yourself. So I think this is beautiful. Also, I may meet some people, I may attend some kind of events, but it really like depends sometimes I just want to stay alone with a book and just pull up my thoughts, it really depends from like, on the day on the mood I'm having. So like, it works like that. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 10:53 I like that very much. And so to ask you, do you feel you're more of a highly emotional person, or a lot more logical? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 11:05 Actually, this may sound crazy, but I feel that I'm a mix of two. Because I do get lots of like mood swings, I can easily get angry, I can as easily get in a really like melancholic kind of state, which I'm also like writing poetry in, I cannot write in any other state. So like when I'm excited, I'm not having this inspiration to write poems only when I'm really sad. So what's of my points do get like, people depressed, and some people cried because of my poems, which is, like from one side flattering and from the other side. Like, I don't know how to feel about this, actually. But still. And from the other side, I really like to plan things out. So when I was choosing my major when I was choosing my university, when I finished with all of my graduation exams, I've been analyzing this for like, two months or something. I've been like, doing tables, comparing degrees. Comparing the subjects, it was crazy, I was advising with anyone with like everyone I could trust, which was like, which made people crazy, because I could not decide. So yeah, I, I'm a good mix of both. Actually, Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 12:26 I have so many questions now. But let's speak about your poetry, which comes more from depression and negative emotions. But how does that inspiration come to you? Do you get some words on your mind some images some random? Or is it like it's already built there in your subconscious? And you're releasing it? Or do you try some techniques in order to build and construct a poem? Or how does it work for you? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 13:01 Actually, I do not know any techniques of like writing poems. And for a long period of my life, I think until I was pretty much like 13 years old, I thought that I could not write poems at all, like poetry is not my thing. So it's really it comes from the, from something that is happening in my life from some generally it comes when I'm interacting with people. And some of my expectations, which I usually half which is wrong, but this is the other question, which are like this expectations are not, you know, like, fulfilled, and you're just disappointed is like at some point, or you're just, I don't know, you're acting in an open way to a person and he or she does not answer in the same way. Or you do get like, a sense of depression when it comes to your achievements when you're not satisfied with yourself. And I'm a really self critical person when it comes to my achievements when it comes to my work, my self realization, social realisation, anything you can think you can think of. So generally, when I get into the right mood when something like when something is before it happens before this, and afterwards, I just get in this mode is just as you said, it's just already rooting in my subconscious. So you just release in this and you're feeling like you're feeling when this is enough when you're finished and you're feeling if it's like still, you have some words not released on paper. So this is a really cool feeling. And I've discovered this I think only like a couple of months ago, which is really interesting. In terms of Are you self conscious and understand yourself better? Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 15:03 Thank you. And when it comes to high heeled dance, what is it about your teacher or coach, that you wish to add more of your personality that inspires you, and is part of the best believe that her it could be or the next version of who you wish to be Yelyzaveta Frolkis 15:26 actually a really look up to her because she, she seems to have like no insecurities in general. I'm a naturally introverted person. And if I hadn't, this experience of Model United Nations, I'd be really shy, I would be afraid of like talking in public dancing in public, and I still get issues like I still have troubles with this. So it's really tough for me to just come out and dance in a group of like three people, for example, when there's other girls watching in the room, because I started, I started thinking about what they're going to be like, they're going to be looking at me, they're going to be thinking that I am not gracious enough that I cannot improvise in dancing that I cannot dance at all. And so my trainer, my teacher, she is, she's super open. I mean, she is open to the point, she can undress herself in some way during the dance. So she has no boundaries at all. Of course, I do not want to come to this level, like exactly when I can put some part in some item of my clothing, like in front of a group. But still, she can come out and dance in front of other people with like, maybe she has this like, second second thoughts or insecurities like how she looks and stuff, but you don't feel it, you don't see as you see only her confidence, you see how she presents herself as a confident, sexy woman who is feeling herself and this is I think, I really want to be like this, though. I'm really trying so hard to get to this level. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 17:16 You mentioned confidence. What does confidence mean for you? And does the self criticism help that? Or how does it relate to that? For Yelyzaveta Frolkis 17:29 me, confidence is when you do not think about people's opinions, because actually, like, in this period, like these days, I'm meeting lots of new people because I'm starting there, because I'm now studying into universities, basically, you're meeting new people. This is this is natural, but I caught myself, like thinking about what they're gonna think like, okay, they are now following my Instagram, I'm posting my stories, I'm posting my boy tree, my thoughts, my like, videos from the dance class, like, what are they gonna think of me? And, for me, confidence is just getting like having this deep connection with yourself, understanding who you are, what your goals are. And what do you want in life generally, what is your like, plank, what people you want to see around yourself, and just don't care about the judgment around you. Because they're going to be they're always going to be people around who are saying that you're doing it wrong. Even your parents, they have some expectations about you. And I do get like some people, even my parents, they usually said like, they usually say to me that I wouldn't do this. If I were you, for example. So I think it's it's really about it for me. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 19:06 I like that you mentioned you know the life that you want. The people you will want to surround yourself with as a criteria for someone who is confident to know who is confident to know so for you, what life do you want? And what kinds of people do you wish to surround yourself with? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 19:29 As I have some I like I can sometimes be a couch potato. Sometimes I really have this tendency to have these days when you just want to lie in bed, do nothing watch TV series or read books and just generally do not interact with the society at all. So I've been always searching for people who are the opposite of myself, really active who are going out of your day who are trying something new who are studying something new who are not afraid I have new challenges in life. And generally, I really love people who have the achievements in their life who have who are hardworking, who know their particular aims in life. So I was really like, reaching out for this people, this is for sure. And in terms of my life, I don't know, I do not like build the exact plans, like where I want to be in five years, because this is always changing. And I believe in Fortune, I believe in the boomerang crew, I believe in stuff like that. This may sound like really weird to some people. But it's really the rules my life is under. So I cannot control this, unfortunately. And I do really want to make the best out of my student years, this is for sure. So this is like stuff, which is the most like this is this is going to be happening in the nearest future for me. So I want to make use of my time I want to balance my life because it's no secret like for anyone that studying into university simultaneously, then do sport. Like have some for your hobby, social realization, like student clubs, student organizations traveling, just relaxing and lying on the couch for like, when you feel like to. It's, it requires great skills of time management. So for me right now, I want to concentrate in the, in the moment I'm in and I want to make the most I can in my goal number one, like for this several months that are gonna be in front of me, I'd really want to overcome my shyness, which is sometimes which sometimes gets in the way when I want to try something new. And just, yeah, make use of all the all the opportunities that universities offer, Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 22:17 are you issues to overcome your China's so that you will take advantage of everything and I'm actually one of the most introverted people ever. I'm 94%. Introvert. Many people wouldn't believe it. But I guess we can discuss it. I can teach you some things about life. And but I'm curious about this really, when you mentioned it, because I'm a high impact to I can feel people's emotions, all of them. Even they're walking in the street near me, or a dog or a cat or anything like that. I felt the different emotions when you spoke about your belief in Fortune, and the boomerang role. What is that? What is that believe? Tell me everything. And if you wonder where the questions come from, I feel people deeply and I feel were the topics that light them up. And that's where the questions come from, from feeling people. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 23:16 Yeah, actually, I do feel others emotions series. It's really, it really helps you know, in person to person, relationships, relationships, when you need to, like, get to know each other better. It's Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 23:33 not really a because I mean, if you're professional, and people are not feeling what they're saying. It's why it's not interesting to me, if someone is saying what they think, but it's not what they feel, or if they're repeating a good idea. I am only interested in the truth of people that comes from the heart that sincerity because I can feel it. But if someone is saying, let's say you're studying law, if someone's speaking about like, the nature of law, blah, blah, blah, but it's not in their heart, then it sounds to me like someone reciting a poem in primary school. It's not it doesn't have fun with them. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 24:13 Yeah, I get it. You're asking like about my belief, unfortunately, all of that stuff. Yeah, I do feel that there are some you know, events in life and like generally, all everything that happens in our lives, like people we meet events that are happening, opportunities, they that come into your life, they're meant to be there. And if you hear if you're getting a rejection, if you hear know it in your address in your address. This is just not your opportunity. It's not your person. It's not your like it's not an event. That's Men that is meant to happen, because I've heard lots of No, I Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 25:04 have to disagree with you. Now I have to, because I believe and it's my belief. And if you look at Joseph Campbell's hero's journey, or even his book, a great book reflections on the art of living, and all that is actually when you go for your biggest growth, you will get tested way more than if you go for the easy route. If you know what I mean that where your fear is, and where all the obstacles will come, that is actually the road, you're meant to go for your purpose. Because there you will overcome most things that will build you into the person you are. And I don't know, it depends for you. But for me, it's not about achievement at all. It's about the person I become who is able to create those achievements, and therefore, the being allows for the doing and allows for the having, rather than considering if I'm having this easily. It's in my comfort zone by definition, and therefore, I'm not being raised, I'm not growing, I have no courage in the matter. Do you know what I mean? I'm just saying it this way where like, it comes from a belief where good things happen to good people. It's not the same what you're mentioning, and bad things happen to bad people. And if something bad happens, then it means you're a bad person and you're punished. But no, bad things happen to good people, good things happen to bad people. And our destiny is the place where we get, we all get hate more than anything, because that's only when we will fulfill it. And it becomes our manifest destiny, because we will become that person not being like, spoon fed the path. But maybe I understood you're wrong. Maybe you meant something else, or you're speaking about something else. I'm really looking forward to your comment. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 27:01 Actually, this is an interesting thought you said, and I agree up to a point but still, like I meant those situations when you cannot like physically you cannot try harder, because this is the ones like chance. So you cannot go for it again, for example, or you do not influence someone's decision or this is like just not under your control. To not like make our discussion like to outstrips like to make people stand still listen. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 27:39 I love it. Let's go abstract. I like being selfish with this, because it's gonna be really interesting, since I understood you correctly, when it's an opportunity that is so rare that you have only one chance in theory to make it happen. You need more control, more power, more influence. And if you try your best, and it doesn't happen, then it's not meant to be is it something like that? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 28:05 Yeah, yeah, it's something like that. Like, I wanted to make an example, like I've been trying to get into a FLEX program, I believe, you know, it's because you've had a lot of guests that have participated in this program. So I tried to get in it for like two times, and I did not get in. And when I was like, thinking about it later, the first time I didn't get I was really upset. And the second time I was like, I was trying to understand the reason why I did not get in and and when I talked to people who actually came to USA afterwards. So they want a program. They said that in Kyiv, there is like in the forest store. So you're writing this English test. And we have like so many intelligent students in Kyiv, that they're just picking this applications randomly. So I'm back at the like, I thought that like my English level is not enough for participating in this problem, which was obviously not like I had a like great v1 or v2 at the time. So I like I could participate. I could like get into the second tour and then on to the third tour and so on. But I didn't get in. And if I knew like this, like some of our like some of my acquaintances who actually like got into flex they came to another series to write this test because their like competition was a little bit less. So if you know what I mean. So I'm talking about like this opportunities where you're trying and it's not really in your power, you know, to influence the decision and like, if they're taken out this applications randomly because there's like so many intelligence students that are applying who have high level of English, I cannot influence this, like, it's not like that I'm lazy to try something or like, just want to make an excuse of me not getting into it, no, like, you can always try again and again and again until your time is up, because there is an age limit. But I'm talking about this opportunities where sometimes this is not in your, like under your control to be accepted or not be accepted. So this is like more for was it this situation is like to cheer your yourself up when you do not get in. And I feel that like, it's, it doesn't matter how many rejections you get, you have to try you have to like, you can try to open some new doors, for example, try some new opportunity. And if you apply to different programs to different like occasions to participate in some events, and blah, blah, blah, and to not speak publicly, or participate in the concert, and so and so on, like, at least one, it at least one you're going to be accepted in is going to work. Even if others like 50 or 100 is like are not going to work, you have to try. You have you don't have to like you should not give up you mustn't give up. It's this is not the the solution to your problems. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 31:49 Thank you, I actually agree with you 100%. And I have that. But I think about it in a different way that doesn't reflect on my identity in two ways. I love rejection and people who fail because they get wisdom from life that people who only had an easy route, they become too naive, and they really don't appreciate it. They're like, Oh, it's so easy, just do it. But it's not reality. And second, I view it in terms of chaos theory and variance, that in reality, or even, let's say let's speak about revolution, 95 or 96% of all variants of species, they die because they're not adapted. But 4% or 2%, dependent on the environment. They're perfectly adapted, and therefore, even nature is doing this, it's throwing a lot of like spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Or for me, I view it as variance, where the average of life like if you think about that, I was thinking about this, I was watching a documentary and the Discovery Channel that even lions or Tigers or bears, they will try like to catch a fish or the tigers to catch a gazelle or whatever, like 20 times when they're almost going to starve they catch one and they survive long enough to the next, you know, 20 or whatever. So for me, I always think about quantity being the bad for creating quality, or that when I begin to do something, I don't think okay, I have to plan it perfectly and have one shot and do that one perfect thing. I think no, actually, I have to try 100 and then 1% of it, I expect it to be great 80% The Pareto rule it will fail miserably. 14% or 15% will be okay, so so 4% good. 1% extraordinary. And that's what makes life worth it. So, to me, I actually don't even go for the average of life that is certain, like, let's say 75% probability of success in mediocrity. I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in doing everything for the 0.01% that could go right and that time with enough effort or totally wrong, and actually they have in psychology a difference of when we speak about failure. There is failure from someone stopping trying and given up that leads to a destruction of self esteem. And that's what people fear, a fear to do. But someone who gives everything and they're proud of what they did and failed, it actually multiplies their self esteem much more than anything and therefore, even in soccer, they call it like green tie in Spain, because it's one of the languages I speak I love Abloh spanyol movie and the green tab is when the team plays ocher perfectly like they give it everything they take every trial and fail. Everybody will salute them, they will clap for them, and they'll be proud of them compared to winning anyway, what is your perspective? Because this is near and dear to my heart, because it's life, you know, it's the nature of the universe, life and everything is the 42. And I hope you get that reference. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 35:21 Um, yeah, I like I can say that I'm partially agreeing with you. I'm really, like you said about doing efforts like I'm 100%. But like, I am kind of a perfectionist. So I really want everything to be like in the best way. So I don't really like when something is a little bit wrong. I'm really like, I would say, attentive to details is like if I can say so. But like, recently, I thought about this, and I realized that is better to do at least something than to just because I've read the book called procrastination. Unfortunately, I don't remember the author. But it said that perfectionism is actually one of the reasons of people like procrastinating because you want to make everything perfectly the best way you can do it, you're just postponing and postponing it, because like, oh, I will do this later, I will have more knowledge, this point of life, or I will be different tomorrow. And I will do this battery on today, which is like probe. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 36:38 But I disagree with you. 100%. I used to be a super perfectionist, until I found my way I was last fall. Perfect perfection is. And this is really, you know, right now, there are people with half your talent who are achieving and having all the perfect moments, and happiness and all that that you're waiting to be ready to do they already claimed it and enjoying it forever. Do you understand this? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 37:10 If this is for me, like I may be mistaken. But this sounds for me like an impostor syndrome. When you're feeling not like professional enough, and you do not try things. Whereas like people who are less professional, they're out there, they're getting all of the awards, because they're showing off, and they're like showing their abilities. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 37:32 Yes. And also, it's, I remember, there was this research on it, the Dunning Kruger effect, but also other stuff that sometimes some people are not even smart enough to know they're not good enough. And therefore they take all the chances. They're confident and believe in themselves. While really smart people they really see their limitations, and they see the risks, and it cripples them. And therefore, life should be more about faith, but not in that way. The faith that yes, we are alive, but we are independent in our words and value from the outcomes that what, or as the Bhagavad Gita from the Indian religion, the Hindu, I know that that you have the right to your labor, but you don't have the right to the fruits of your labor. And therefore, as long as you do the process, where you are allowing yourself to get a result, you don't control the result. And therefore, you accept whatever result that comes as a miracle, whether positive or negative, and you judge yourself, not by the perfection, because you know, you study business. You know, in economics, there is a point where the marginal marginal revenue exceeds the worst, the marginal cost exceeds the marginal revenue, which is the point of diminishing return. And therefore paying attention to detail beyond the point of diminishing return is just a waste and procrastination by definition, because like Peter Drucker, he said, There is no worse in efficiency than trying to do well. Things that don't have to be done at all. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 39:22 Yeah, yeah. Actually, like the I'm still I was listening to and still think about thinking about the first sign in the first part of your speech because it really it really resonates with me, you know, like that. Sometimes, people who are like not to call them like dumb or something, like let's say people, Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 39:48 but even worse notice it in politicians. They say oh, we don't have great politicians. They're not the best people. It's because the best people are too shy or They're not like they're waiting to be for perfect. While the politicians there is like, whatever they're like, go for it. Yeah, Yelyzaveta Frolkis 40:07 literally I agree with you like 100% Because like literally sometimes the smartest people, they're just sitting in their kitchens and discussing the, you know, issues in the country but they do not get on this stage and like say this out loud in front of a public because they're like too shy or unsure of their abilities. But like, I mean, this resonates with me so much, because actually, like yesterday, I was thinking about applying on some event to read my poetry like, publicly for the first time when I was really shy, I was having like doubts, Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 40:45 even more, even more, look, let's make it happen. Because I noticed another thing I used to have this list when I've you know, the Getting Things Done method where there was a Sunday list, and then I noticed I never do the Sunday. And I thought no, Sunday means now means today I begin. And that's how I learned like six languages or whatever, I'll be like, I want to learn long concepts on como. So should we, let's go. So to you today, after this interview, send me an mp3 of you reading a poem. I'll share it in my telegram channel, there'll be like more than 200 Ukrainian students or almost 300 they will listen to it and let's go. Let's go for it. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 41:26 Oh my god, okay. Is it like, Okay, if there is I have said little depressive, like, this is my, Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 41:33 I love it. No, I'm go for it. I love and accept everything because I actually am incapable to see people in categories or to judge them because I'm like, happiness is the rarest thing in the world. So if someone is happy, even if they other people think whatever they do is weird. That doesn't matter. Because most people in the world are bored, unhappy. They're doing something they believe. Like they're stuck in doing. And they're not like living up to their potential. So as long as you have the courage to try and to go for it, send it in any language, even if it's Japanese, or Chinese. Let's go. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 42:16 Okay, yeah, I will send it. Okay. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 42:19 Thank you. Tell me this. What do you what is your metaphysical spiritual belief on the nature of life and reality? I know it's too deep. But why not live? Enjoy it? It's my podcast that can be selfish with my questions, Yelyzaveta Frolkis 42:34 actually, like, Oh, wow. I wasn't expecting that. Okay, this is a tough question. Like, I believe that this surely exists, like some high powers, like, you know, some, something that is beyond our reach. And it's kind of just not control their life, but like, they just let call this day, they see our actions. I don't know if like, they control this or stuff. But in terms of like, how the nature I don't know, like, how the, like, how the humanities started, or how the, like, every, like, how everything started? Yeah, let's take a generally I but I think that there are like some stuff. Like, for example, dogs, for me, like dogs are so intelligent people. And I really think that they do. Like they do have, like, a couple of lives. So those are the people who have been living on this earth, and they have just been reborn in being reborn into the animals. So I do think that there's life after death, which is probably crazy to believe. But yeah, it's generally like what I think you'll Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 44:08 say that probably crazy to believe it doesn't matter. It's your belief. Be proud of it. Yes, dogs are people, we love it. reincarnation is real, whatever it is, because if you study it, look, if you go into the philosophy of science, you will find that even science, nobody's sure of anything. Because the scientists themselves, the way their brain was wired from childhood and upbringing will affect what they see and what they cannot see. And therefore, you know, that's why they have like, a triple blob line of tests, and now they're doing it where even the person measuring, they don't know what they're measuring or whatever. Because actually, even scientists, they cannot see reality, because they're limited by how their brain is shaped. And therefore nobody can know anything. and really and therefore I choose to believe, and the things that empower me that add to my confidence in a way. And this I did study of it for a couple of years, every person who's super successful is delusional. They believe that like, amazing, and that things will work for them, and that they should go. And if it doesn't work, oh, wow, this was such a beautiful lesson that is preparing me for my destiny to be the most amazing person ever, or whatever, like nothing in relation to reality. And scientists, they're not that rich or successful, because they're too realistic. So to you instead of qualifying it, and that's what it's called in linguistics, where you say, oh, it's crazy to do as like you're making small your opinion, no, declare it bravely. And love any person who disagrees. Because, by definition, if you think about it, as a normal distribution, or bell curve, the fact some people criticize you means some people will love you. But if nobody criticizes us, and everybody is indifferent to you, then you don't even exist, you don't matter. Therefore, for love to exist, such the wrong people must hate you. I even think about it in this way. We live in a universe that is big, and it's made of all like tons of universes. But we can create our own universe, by being so true to ourselves, that the wrong people will leave us and go away. And therefore we don't have to compromise or pretend to be nice in order to get along with them. It's not necessary, there are 8 billion people and the right people that will love you for who you are, you can be fully yourself and they will be fully themselves with you. And therefore I view it as a selection bias, which is what's called or self selection, the more you share exactly what you say, with with full belief, the wrong people that will be like, This person is totally stupid. And the right people, this person is genius. And you know what I mean? Like, there'll be no middle. But if you're like, Okay, for some people, this could be controversial. It could be sad that blah, blah, blah, then people will be like, I mean, I don't know this person has no is not taking any position or stance. They're weak, and therefore they're nice. Like, we pat them on the head, then we move on. Do you know what I mean? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 47:27 Yeah, I totally agree with you actually, like indifference is the worst thing. And I noticed, like, among the people who meets me, they're usually like two categories, either the people who really like Adore Me who say this to my face that like I inspire them in my like, in the things I'm doing, or anything in the points or writing or like anything I do or say, and the second category, which hates me without like, actually, without having any reason for it. And I've been thinking that this is actually weird. But then I saw the thought like, oh, no, no, stop. It is great, because you do not leave the indifference of to meeting the person, which is great. So you're leaving the, like, lasting effects on the person, you're given the impression, which is great. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 48:18 Perfect. And let's do a little game. Imagine you are Liza in 2030. Is this year, or you are in your perfect life? Imagine it Okay, can you begin imagining you're that person? Okay, anything, doesn't matter. Just choose something that comes like a poem to your mind just from your subconscious. And feel that when if that leads, I would give today's Lisa advice. What would she say? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 48:52 I would say like, be brave. Do not care about others opinions. Do more more of self digging. understand yourself, understand your wishes and go for it and do not care about judgment and the wrong people who surround you and always listen to only the people who say, or either the great stuff to you that you're cool that you're inspiring or just saying the good critics which you can learn something from. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 49:33 I agree 1,000% It's about daring greatly. And one of my favorite quotes I have even here, it will support you probably by Theodore Roosevelt, and I will read it. It's not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena. Ah, whose face is marred by dust and sweat, and blood Who strives valiantly, who airs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error, and shortcoming. But who does actually strive to do the deeds, who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least, fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. And I live like this every day, I actually sometimes would actually do something that will make people look at me funny, just because I you refuse to have, I used to be super, like, shy and whatever. But then I thought, I don't want this life, like what is this, I refuse to be this person. And I will do it. And I will love it. Because I, it's, you know, whenever I feel people are categorizing me into something where there'll be expectation of behavior, I don't want that I want the freedom to be me, the independence to choose whichever side of personality I explore, or show in whatever moment. And I believe that, in many ways, the right people are born to dare greatly and to live outside their comfort zone, where it's uncomfortable, but it's electric and electrifying with life, while the right people will love that. And the wrong people. They feel like oh, I want to be comfortable, this is uncomfortable, or they stay in their comfort zone. But it's death, you're literally not alive. Because the fear, the feeling of being alive is doing something where you're daring to go out of your comfort zone consistently. You don't know what happens. And you love the consequences. Like some people, they say, Oh, you have to eat, they call me even. Because I don't know, maybe my situation is different. i It happened in my life, that I lost everything. And then I had to build everything again. 1% a day, without knowing what will happen. I needed to believe in myself because nobody did. And in that time, I discovered that really, look, there is no safety in life, there is no security, the only thing that comes is becoming someone who believes in ourselves. So much so that even if we lose everything, it's fine. I know I can rebuild it again. And therefore I can be me. Because there is no negative consequences. Anything is just a new flavor to learning to gross, the development to enjoy in life, where I enjoy the full range of emotions, because why not? I was before someone who wanted safety and security. But it's a fear based rather than a courage based way of being. And I prefer, you know, I remember a quote where he said, I would rather dangerous freedom than than safe slavery. And that's how I love to live. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 53:18 Yeah, growth is a constant disk discomfort. I recently heard this, this phrase, this quotation, and I've been thinking about, about it for like the past couple of days. And I came to a conclusion that yeah, this is actually true. So if you do want to Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 53:39 overrated, I am really a big thinker, like I journal like thinking, but I found that actually do it, like, try it, experience it, and then think about it. That's a much better way. Like, if you walk around. You said like that woman who takes a piece of her clothes, well around all girls, go take off your clothes. And then after that, think about it and judge it rather than pre judging, because pre judging comes from your current set of experiences and limitations, rather than from opening the opportunity to be surprised that what happened? Yelyzaveta Frolkis 54:19 Yeah, yeah, I agree. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 54:22 Thank you so much. This was a very unique episode. I spoke a lot, but I care about this. Because if you're not daring greatly, in reality, you're just buried alive. That's basically it. You're just playing safely. I don't mean about you, you're actually doing great things. But I think you know, from social media, you expect even more and more of yourself. I remember one time I was speaking to someone from the NFL in the US, and his regret was this. He didn't stop to enjoy that he was in the NFL. He spent it grinding wanting more and More and more and more, until he finished and then he thought it was never fun. I didn't have fun and enjoy that. I was like in the NFL, I think, Wow, I'm doing so great. Every day I was thinking about the next thing and how to progress and how to beat the competition, that I had no time to actually enjoy it to just walk around proud of what I have achieved, because he didn't even realize it. Do you do your amazing one of the most exceptional people have interviewed whether in achievement or depths of thought, or your quote, I love that. And it is it represents what we say success has been able to move from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. It doesn't say anything about good achievement. It's the ability to move from one failure to another. So you're failing consequently, that's beautiful. And that's lying to me. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 55:53 Yeah, yeah. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 55:54 No, thank you so much. Can you please speak a little bit? I mean, we spoke a lot, but only do you have any projects that you're supporting right now. Anything that you want to raise awareness about, as well as if people wish to follow you on social media? What is the best one, and I'll make sure to write it in the description as well. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 56:19 I would really be grateful if people follow my Instagram, because right now, like, I'm always hearing like this feedback when people say that, Oh, you have like really aesthetic photos. And we get like this aesthetic satisfaction when we look at your profile. But I do want to make it make the content more to the point. And I really do want to write above myself about my thoughts about what's happening in my life. So people could enjoy not only the great photos, but the content. Currently, I have lots of plans because as I've said earlier, this was a complete like completely spontaneous event. But today I became a member of also so now I will be attending different events created for us to for students who study Law at the University. Also, I'm trying I'm trying to get into a couple of student clubs. So one of one of those is actually about like the mall uns and stuff. So I'll be a delegate. It's international months, which is going to be probably exciting. I will try to get a driver's license, I think, like in in the next summer, I think this is like learn to learn some time plans, but still. And I do really want to start learning a new language either French, either German. I'm not decided yet. But yeah, like there's so much like so much stuff coming. I'm really excited. I'm really excited to meet new people and expand my social circle because you know, when you're studying it as same institution for a lot for like, lots of years. You're coming to a new institution, and there's like, a bunch of people with a whole new background, a whole new, like whole different background from yours. A different city, different activities, experiences, and this is this is exciting. I'm like I'm looking forward to it like so much. Abdulaziz M Alhamdan 58:29 I'm really happy for you. I encourage you to go for all those plans. And thank you so much, Lisa. It was a privilege and honor, a great time and I wish you a brilliant day. Thank you. Yelyzaveta Frolkis 58:42 Thank you. Thank you so much.